Conversation between colleagues, Camila and Karl, about street violence and gangs in Britain.
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Batmanghelidjh, Camila, 1963- (female, CEO), Lokko, Karl, 1989- (male, Rep for Gangs)
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Camila and Karl discuss street violence in Britain. Karl talks about why he was attracted to the streets when he was at school. Camila describes how different the reality of the streets was to descriptions in her psychotherapy training. She talks about how she started her charity Kids Company and what she learnt by talking to the children who she was trying to help. They discuss the need for young boys to be violent to keep themselves safe on the streets and Karl describes his own initiation into a culture of violence, how and why he got involved with gangs and how violence gradually became a normal part of his life. Camila talks about her own observations of children who are violent and they discuss better ways to help them recover than simply punishing them. Camila asks Karl how he changed his life around and became a person who wanted to help others rather than be violent towards them. Karl describes how Kids Company has helped him and what he wants to do in the future.
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