Conversation between friends, Michael and Paddy, about being members of a wild swimming collective and what swimming means to them.
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BBC Blackstaff House, Belfast
Taggart, Patrick, 1963- (male, civil servant), McEvoy, Michael, 1978- (male, community gardener)
BBC Radio Ulster
Michael and Paddy are both members of a wild swimming collective and they talk about what swimming means to them. Patrick says it's like entering another world but it's not about swimming competitively. Mick agrees that that's a good thing about the group, he likes to just lie on his back like an otter. Patrick says he enjoys looking below him and seeing the fish and seaweed. Mick says he thinks about meditation and becomes aware of the cold water around him and how it supports and surrounds him. Patrick describes his philosophical approach - that it is better to swim open-handed than with a closed fist and that this is like life - it's better to let things go than to try and hold on to them. Mick says everything seems better after a swim, your appetite is sharpened and they often end a swim with chips.
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